Crabby skeptics like me resent being labeled stupid, environmentally insensitive, unscientific, or *horror or horrors* uncaring. I love the environment; that's where the tasty animals come from. It also comes in pretty handy when I want to fish, camp or ski.
The angry shoutfest that has sprung from the climate change debate is is a shame, because there are real, uncontroversial global environmental issues that require international cooperation.
Climate fetishism wastes the finite resources needed to resolve these issues. This is what economists call an opportunity cost. The cost of trying to cool down the planet with expensive, dubious schemes is that the resources used cannot be used in solving more tangible and immediate problems. There are only so many dollars, people, and other resources in the world. If you spend a dollar here, you can't also spend it there.
Scientists and other climate experts like CNN Meteorologist Chad Myers are pushing back against the climate change movement's intellectual incontinence:
“You know, to think that we could affect weather all that much is pretty arrogant,” Myers said. “Mother Nature is so big, the world is so big, the oceans are so big – I think we’re going to die from a lack of fresh water or we’re going to die from ocean acidification before we die from global warming, for sure.”Prominent intellectual and University of Copenhagen professor Bjorn Lomborg would disagree with Myers' first sentence but agree with the second. Lomborg is not an environmental scientist (he has a PhD in Political Science), but he has conducted some rigorous academic study on the subject of climate change. Lomborg accepts the premise that man is affecting the earth's climate. Where the professor parts company with the climate change crowd is in the solution. He writes in a recent WaPo article that resources should be dedicated to R&D efforts in pursuit of practical solutions such as more efficient solar panels and a new generation of biofuels.
Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), a co-sponsor of the bill, has called it "the world's most far-reaching program to fight global warming." It is indeed policy on a grand scale. It would slow American economic growth by trillions of dollars over the next half-century. But in terms of temperature, the result will be negligible if China and India don't also commit to reducing their emissions, and it will be only slightly more significant if they do. By itself, Lieberman-Warner would postpone the temperature increase projected for 2050 by about two years.
Many people believe that everyone has a moral obligation to ask how we can best combat climate change. Attempts to curb carbon emissions along the lines of the bill now pending are a poor answer compared with other options.
Consider that today, solar panels are one-tenth as efficient as the cheapest fossil fuels. Only the very wealthy can afford them. Many "green" approaches do little more than make rich people feel they are helping the planet. We can't avoid climate change by forcing a few more inefficient solar panels onto rooftops.
The answer is to dramatically increase research and development so that solar panels become cheaper than fossil fuels sooner rather than later. Imagine if solar panels became cheaper than fossil fuels by 2050: We would have solved the problem of global warming, because switching to the environmentally friendly option wouldn't be the preserve of rich Westerners.
This message was recently backed up by the findings of the Copenhagen Consensus project, which gathered eight of the world's top economists -- including five Nobel laureates -- to examine research on the best ways to tackle 10 global challenges: air pollution, conflict, disease, global warming, hunger and malnutrition, lack of education, gender inequity, lack of water and sanitation, terrorism, and trade barriers.
These experts looked at the costs and benefits of different responses to each challenge. Their goal was to create a prioritized list showing how money could best be spent combating these problems. The panel concluded that the least effective use of resources in slowing global warming would come from simply cutting carbon dioxide emissions.
Air pollution and water pollution contribute to death and disease worldwide; lack of fresh water and biomass cause hunger, conflict and death. Most everyone can agree that these are pressing issues. Carbon emission restrictions via onerous taxation schemes will keep the developing world mired in poverty, while robbing the rich nations of their wealth. This in turn will destroy the economic engine needed to fund tangible environmental solutions.
I am a fan of Professor Lomborg because he gathers up the incoherent, disjointed shards of the chaotic climate change debate and constructs logical, practical solutions that satisfy all but the extreme fringes. The middle is where these solutions will be implemented. It is naive to imagine any country will economically castrate itself in sacrifice to Mother Earth.
Even at the personal level, people will not deny themselves what is readily available: Environmentally aware Hollywood celebutards jet around the world, drive gas hogs and live in palatial mansions, but scold me for using my gas powered chainsaw, leaving my computer running, and using too much toilet paper.
Professor Lomborg's Copenhagen Consensus provides practical solutions that can preserve the environment while tangibly improving the lot of the poor. The brilliance of these solutions is that one can support them regardless of belief or disbelief in man-made climate change.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/25/AR2008062501946.html
http://www.lomborg.com/
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I agree with all of that. You guys are the ones that are mischaracterizing what I'm writing. Of course China and India have to chip in as well, and of course making alternative energy sources more affordable is a good thing.
I should say, (for the first time by the way) that I do think climate change is at least, very significantly man-made, but that I stressed that it didn't matter.
"Carbon emission restrictions via onerous [unclear/unspecific term] taxation schemes will keep the developing world mired in poverty, while robbing the rich nations of their wealth." Except that this is not true and nevertheless you present no evidence for it to be true; except that one of many possible panels you could have looked at, most of which go the other way said that co2 emmissions aren't the problem.
I present no evidence? Go read Lomborg. He and the team of economists predict that, not me.
Anyway, it's a basic economics principle. Any resource used spent on A (global warming) cannot be spent on B (Solving real problems). These are finite resources, therefore A robs resources from participating countries, so they have less to spend on B.
You lament missing the opportunity to cool down the planet; I lament missing the opportunity to provide clean drinking water and to develop non-carbon based technologies. Ontological guilt cuts both ways
What was the rate of melting in the artic and antartic before global warming? Boys grab the ice cubes while you still can!!!! Redneck Ron
I'm also a big fan of Bjorn Lomborg, Silverfiddle. It's nice to see him featured somewhere else. You are right. He has so many very thoughtful, common-sense views on how to tackle climate change, among many other environmental issues, in a way that tries to de-politicize them and to bring a rational and pragmatic discussion to debating and discussing the issue, nevertheless to tackle the problem.
And you are right about those emissions restrictions and onerous taxation schemes, as well. I just had this conversation with an economics major I bumped into at a party, last night. The problem I have with cap and trade is not that it is market-driven. That's what I like about it. What bothers me is the perpetual assumption that people in government have finally figured out how to handle the problem, until, of course, we figure out that they haven't, and then many years later they might or might not acknowledget that they didn't have the right answer, either, all the while wasting resources and energy that could have been spent exactly as you are suggesting on a diverse array of efforts which we can test by trial and error in the marketplace, keeping good ideas and abandoning bad ones.
That is the advantage of a free marketplace over political muscle to solve such problems. In the marketplace, when an idea isn't working or is just a more fundamentally bad idea, it can just die off or be adjusted to a new understanding of the reality at hand. Those who vie for political muscle, on the other hand, never feel like they have enough and cannot even imagine that their ideas might be bad ones. In fact, when their ideas are bad, they typically seek out more political muscle, not less, to compensate for their bad ideas.
It's a little mind-numbing, after awhile.
I'm a teacher, Silverfiddle, so such government-enforced nonsense currently takes up a seriously disproportionate amount of my time and energy. This is why I've been talking about quitting. But I'm up to here with it. And the dishonesty of it all - meaning, that instead of having confidence that when your ideas are good then people will eventually adopt them, constantly seeking out greater and greater means of enforcing them because you lack such confidence - really has me at my wits' end.
How we ever got convinced that muscle rather than better ideas should drive our politics, I will never know. About the time we decided that muscle could compensate for shitty ideas, I imagine. Except the truth is nothing compensates for shitty ideas.
You would think that a liberal democratic culture would have learned that by now.
Ben,
Not only does the left not like the economic free market, they don't like the free market of ideas, either. As you say, this just tells me they know they're peddling BS that can't stand honest scrutiny.
I also agree with your other point about political muscle. Why does anyone with a brain trust a politician? Look at where we're at. Our politicians have completely discredited themselves. If our federal government were a private enterprise, these sorry, incompetent boobs would be in jail for fraud.
And the UN? Don't even get me started...
Cigarettes, coca-cola, wal-mart, assault rifles, chia pets, etc...
Yah, the free-market will solve all of our problems. People will start buying hybrid cars to help fund the technologies even though it is an economic burden to them personally. No, let the free-market at it. I know that contractors seperate the plastic, drywall, etc... from everything that really can't be re-used with no incentive at all.
Honestly though, I don't think any sensible person thinks that the gov't or the free market can do everything the best and solve all of our problems; but reasonable people use some sort of combination of both in order to ensure that the faults of either system do not overwhelm society.
Read Aristotle; the mean between the extremes is where you want to be.
You're a teacher! Holy sheit. Please tell me you teach kindergarten.
You guys think that there is a global warming/climate change conspiracy going on (among scientists and politicians)! And I'm supposed to try and talk sense to you?
quoting chicken little: "...I don't think any sensible person thinks that the gov't or the free market can do everything the best..."
well, i KNOW the gov't can't do everything best. in fact, they can't do ANYthing best.
as for the free market...i can't really think of what it can't do best.
Well, you dogmatic idealogue, how about the ;aw courts, policing, mail, roads, bridges, libraries, and the people who salt the streets and ploe the snow?
Oh yah,I know, "if the gov't would get out of those the private sector would do them better too". You're an idiot.
more from chicken little: "You're an idiot."
very enlightening. you're not going to win many arguments outside of 10th grade that way.
all of those institutions you listed would indeed be better run as private enterprises. the shocking thing is that you would throw them up as examples...because they are really examples of govt corruption at its worst (with the exception of libraries).
You're not an idiot. You're an extremist and an ideologue, and I bet you don't know one criticism against your own economic position (Austrian Economics).
You're a close-minded dogmatist that is deferential to the free-market no matter where it leads you.
Refute this criticism:
"Nobel laureate and neo-Keynesian economist Paul Krugman argued that Austrian business cycle theory implies that consumption would increase during downturns, and cannot explain the empirical observation that spending in all sectors of the economy fall during a recession. Austrian theorists argue a recession can result from a monetary contraction or a "credit crunch" that causes the investment boom not to shift but simply to disappear. Nobel laureate Milton Friedman, after examining the history of business cycles in the US, concluded that "The Hayek-Mises explanation of the business cycle is contradicted by the evidence. It is, I believe, false."
Or this one:
"Economist Jeffrey Sachs asserts that when comparing developed free-market economies, those that have high rates of taxation and high social welfare spending perform better on most measures of economic performance compared to countries with low rates of taxation and low social outlays."
This outcome is much more likely. If we don't think that certainty requires majority opinion, we should at least be able to agree that likeliness of future outcomes increases while expert opinion increases in its favour.
In this case, so long as the issue is at all contentious, unlike the moon falling, we should take some action to avoid calamity. It's really quite simple unless you mischaracterize, or use logical fallacies to refute it. It's irrefutable.
Canadian Pragmatist said...
Your petulance is getting tiring. You've lost this argument. Accept it.
put down your thesaurus...and open microsoft help for cutting and pasting. you've apparently confused and combined a number of foutc's posts/threads and are now pasting indiscriminate rants all over the place.
That's actually what happened. It doesn't diminish the strength of any of my arguments though. Doesn't help either, but oh well.
Canadian Pragamtist:
What a name. It feels good to be a pragmatist, doesn't it? Especially when looking down upon the great unwashed ideologues.
You're arguing economic theory, which would be great if we were all economic theorists. I for one am not. As I am sure you know, they use scientific methods to isolate variables of interest to see how it affects various outcomes and hypotheses. They will also do this with older studies to see if they still hold up in newer models. While interesting in the abstract, these theories usually break down in some way in the real world, hence the academic interest they engender. Subjects like this are quite useful to academics, but have little bearing on day to day discussions.
It all depends on what "measures of economic performance" you are talking about.
Why is unemployment in any Western European country always chronically higher than in the US? Is it their superior taxation model?
While this is of great interest to theorists, it has no relevance to this discussion.
The premise of the climate change argument is tenuous. People much smarter than me are still arguing over statistical models and the validity of measurements.
The climate is a complex system, and anyone who claims they have it nailed is naive and arrogant.
The proponents have provided evidence, but skeptics have rebutted with valid criticism. There are too many question marks.
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