57% of men diagnosed with prostate cancer in the UK will die.
50% of men diagnosed with prostate cancer in France and Germany will die.
According to the US Census Bureau 59.3 % of Americans have employer provided health insurance, 27.8 % have government provided health insurance, 9% purchase health insurance directly. This is where the figure of 46.7 million uninsured Americans comes from... the 15.3% left uninsured in the US Census Bureau statistics. What they aren't telling you is that according to the Canadian government's Canadian Community Health Survey (CCHS), 5% of Canadians don't have access to a regular doctor and 9% have never tried finding one.
Hmmm 15.3% in the US and 14% in Canada, doesn't seem so shockingly disparate now, does it?
The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act in the US forbids US healthcare providers from denying treatment of emergency conditions based on insurance or inability to pay.
42% of Canadians wait 2 hours or more for emergency room treatment vs 29% of Americans.
57% of Canadians wait 4 weeks or more to see a specialist vs 23% of Americans.
21% of Canadian hospital administrators said it would take over three weeks to perform a breast cancer biopsy on a 50 year old vs 1% of US hospital administrators.
Bill Day, President of the Canadian national association of doctors described Canada as a country where a dog can get a hip replacement in one to two weeks but the owner would need to wait two to three years for the same procedure.
In the French 2003 heatwave 13,000 people died of dehydration, hospitals were so overwhelmend they stopped answering their phones and ambulances told people to fend for themselves.
How much of European medicine is already subsidized by Americans? 70% of pharmaceutical research dollars comes from the US. Both US and European drug companies sell their products for a premium in the US and at or just above cost in European countries with socialized medicine. The American free-market consumer subsidizes his European socialist counterparts in the prices paid for needed medicines. With an American socialized medical system one of two things is going to happen, either the money for research is going to dwindle, or the costs for Canadians and Europeans is going to go up.
As Europe ponders privatization, America contemplates socialization.
Go Figger!
8 comments:
Now you're just confusing the issue with facts!
Oh...it will be all well and good when Cass Sunstein takes your liver.
It is shame that anybody has to die from cancer but what the drug companies are pullingis crap. Europe likes screwing us but are those European drub companies owned by american companies?
The 5% who don't have access to a regular doctor live in the arctic and the other 9% are like me and go to a clinic when they're sick, so its not the same as not being insured.
Also, why is prostate cancer your focus? Won, you win on one single disease. Your system must be better. How about all the rest of them?
How much do you pay for this also? I'll bet we Canadians pay less than half. And you're supposed to be the free-market, everything at a good price country.
Our costs should go up, but our conservative prime minister won't put money into health care. That's why its going south. Its not anything fundamental, its that the prime minister thinks like you.
We pay way too little for health care, especially compared to Americans. I'm for paying more in this case.
How can you have a health care system that you have to wait for? Yes it is matter of money and how to pay for programs. Don't you have the ability to get supplemental programs that you can buy to get you the additional coverage you need and that way your totally dependent on the goverment health care system? Do you really on the the goverment handouts? There is nothing wrong if you do-but the deilema that your facing is that ones this country has been facing for years. I am not sure how much Canadians pay in taxes but I know Europe pays alot. I would love to talk economics to you but I think you would get lost fast.
We have private options as well. Especially for surgery.
Again, its the sorts of surgery that you don't need immediately that you have to wait for.
Its not like a heart transplant.
Our national health is ranked higher than your, and we pay less for it.
Yah, we pay taxes, but we also get services. That's the exchange.
Your national health is ranked higher than ours...
As Mark Twain said, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
It all depends on how you measure it, and the World Health Organization, among other liberal organizations is not measuring quality or survival rates but cost and access. Yes, our health care system is more expensive, it is also medically speaking, better.
It is why foreign patients spend over a billion dollars in the US on medical care each year: "The healthcare businnes market research handbook" R. Miller and Assoc.
The five year survival rate for all types of cancer is higher in the US than Europe.
There is a 60% higher prevalance of hypertension in Europe than the US.
Britain has only 25% per capita CT scanners and 30% per capita MRI scanners as the US.
The number of middle aged Canadian women who have never had a mmaogram is twice that of the US. Three times as many Canadian women have never had a Pap smear. Less than 1/5 of Canadian men have ever been tested for prostate-specific antigen compared to half of American men who have been tested.
The mortality rate in Canada is 25% higher for cancer, 18% higher for prostate cancer, 13% higher for colorectal cancer.
High blood pressure is is controlled in 36% of US cases compared to only 9% of Canadian.
Is our medical system perfect? No.
Do we need to improve access? Yes. But we do not need Euro-Canadian socialized medicine. Even with our problems our medical system outperforms those of Europe.
I don't think anyone here has said that the American medical system doesn't have problems and doesn't need to be fixed. What we are saying is that the socialist catchall system is not the answer.
"Well the good news is you got to see a doctor, the bad news is your going to die anyway." Is not something Americans want to hear.
Hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine eye, and then thou shalt see clear to cast out the mote which is in the eye of thy brother. Luke 6:42
Ask yourself, seriously, should you be calling for reform in the American or Canadian health care systems?
~Finntann~
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